The Fish
for 8 October 1999. Updated every WEEKDAY.
 
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Hit & Run

Well done BarTel! We all knew
this would be coming quickly,
a defense of the brand of
bottomless irony practiced at
Suck. But then it's not all
irony there at Suck, contrary
to public opinion, and
Purdy's book is not all
anti-irony, if you're to be
believed. That was a fair and
interesting interview.

Tom Castle
<Tom@asizip.com>

But public opinion is what
matters. It's not like we
consciously asked to become
the Blue Meanies of irony,
but we've accepted our
responsibility — unlike
Purdy, who is uniquely
positioned to become the
Hillary the Boob of sincerity
but insists on not being
typecast.

Yr pal,

BarTel
 
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I believe the "it's turtles
all the way down" story comes
to us originally from
Bertrand Russell rather than
Stephen Hawking, although the
latter may be getting
cosmological insights from
his own "old lady."

And BarTel d'Arcy, while he
does, indeed, appear in
Ulysses, figures more
prominently in Joyce's short
story "The Dead." Mr. D'Arcy
is a tenor, and his plaintive
rendition of "The Lass of
Aughrim" evokes overpowering
memories in Gretta Conroy. It
is a remarkable, irony-free
passage, one I am sure
Habbakuk Purdy would enjoy.

Reynolds Atkins
<ratkins@loralorion.com>

But it's in Ulysses that we
learn the crucial facts that
Bartell [actual spelling]
d'Arcy has a waxed-up
moustache and imagines
himself to be some kind of
lothario, character details
that the great Frank
Patterson ran with when he
portrayed the singer in John
Huston's movie The Dead.
Sadly, Patterson now does
ghastly duets with the dead,
co-starring the wax-cylinder
voice of John McCormack. It's
so ironic!

Yr pal,

BarTel
 
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Subject: Because you sent it
to me on consecutive days,
I'll rip him on consecutive,
etc.

It is beyond funny to read an
interview debating what type
of intellectual a person
might be, when the alleged
"intellectual" in question
— Mr. Purdy — has
appeared in a
point/counterpoint in a
magazine (Slate) that he
has never read.

Nothing could more firmly
establish that, when Mr.
Purdy's time is up, he will
be conducted (despite
protestations in this life)
to the pantheonic "pundit
grid" mentioned during your
interview. McLaughlin,
Donaldson, and Roberts will
be his companions in
eternity, not Perkins,
Parker, and McCluhan.

Hmmm ... What did they say at
Exeter about this? Or is
there a road-kill joke I can
insert here to appear folksy?

Best wishes,

Richard Piedmonte
<humanmeal@earthlink.net>

The real oddity is that the
author claims he doesn't want
to join the pundit grid.
That's simply perverse. Who
wouldn't want to get paid for
shouting a set of talking
points on television?

Yr pal,

BarTel
 
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Subject: Literacy?

Is this for real? Whew! I
just stumbled into this by
accident after going to the
fourth level of the pulldown
list of Favorites in Win98.

No wonder it is being said by
more and more citizens in our
country, USA, that we are in
a state of moral decline,
physically, intellectually,
and religiously!

Shame on you folks, whatever
your rationale may be for
putting that kind of junk on
the Net!

Anthony Correia
<acorreia@earthlink.net>

We're only on the fourth
level of the Favorites list?
Thanks for the heads up!

the Sucksters
 
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La Cage Match Aux Folles

I can forgive clichés
("permanent hammerlock on pop
culture," "wrest the
championship belt from those
box-office titans") so bad
that they smack of TV Guide
headline tags. I can forgive
puns ("Tae Boasters,"
"GLAADiators") so bad that I
hearken back to Winona
Ryder's internal monologs
in Heathers. These bespeak
lazy writing, but not
necessarily an ignorance of
the subject at hand. However,
any beer-swilling, trailer-
park-dwelling wrestling fan
would have taken exception
with your twice referring to
WCW as "the WCW." World
Championship Wrestling should
not have been preceded by the
article "the," unless of course
you were using it in a
faux-naive David
Letterman-esque manner (e.g.,
"Say, kids, do you like the
rock-and-roll?"). And I doubt
you were, since you also
referred to the World
Wrestling Federation as the
"World Wrestling Foundation,"
which sounds like some odd
charity.

<not_kornheiser@hotmail.com>

Your critique would have been
stronger had you condemned
what you forgive and forgiven
what you condemn. But thanks
for the close read.

And nice email address.

Huck
 
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After a hard day
philosophizing, René
Descartes is in his favorite
boîte drinking brandy
and discussing the weather.
The bartender asks him if
he'd like another drink. He
says, "I think, not." He
disappears.

I can only exist if you
believe in me.

Alan Kornheiser
<askornheiser@prodigy.net>

We believe in you! We believe
in love! We believe in Santa
Claus! We believe in magic!

Gullible,

the Sucksters
 
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Hit & Run

When I first heard this
story, I was an undergraduate
at Harvard in 1971. In that
version, the great
philosopher and theorist
William James had just given
a lecture on the universe
when the old lady gave him
the real explanation
(turtles). I don't think
Stephen Hawking was on
anyone's radar in 1971. I
suppose most folks today
(even Suck readers) would
have no idea who William
James was, so the identity of
the lecturer had to be
changed.

whbarrett
<whbarrett@email.msn.com>

Oh, stick a sock in that
"Most folks today would have
no idea" business, Mr.
Harvard. As it happens,
Hawking himself attributes
the story to Bertrand
Russell, who in turn probably
said it happened to Henri
Bergson. This is what passes
for urban myth in the Ivy
League. But then, maybe that
was your point.

Next question: Although we
didn't actually go to Ivy
League schools, could you
pull some strings to get us
admitted to the Old Boy
Network? As mascots or
something?

Yr pal,

BarTel
 
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But Love Story is an awful,
awful movie! Shouldn't
somebody tell him this?

Drew Bell
<droob@earthlink.net>

It's the thought that counts.
I find his standing up to the
hecklers commendable, though
of course, it would have been
better if he'd been standing
up for Danger: Diabolik or an
Andy Hardy classic.

Yr pal,

BarTel
 
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Sucksters,

Last week I bought For Common
Things
and, like you, was
perplexed by how the subtitle
and the contents of the book
are remarkably different.
However, in defense of the
young Purdy, Daniel
Goldhagen, author of Hitler's
Willing Executioners
which
was also published by Knopf,
faced a similar problem. In
the jacket description of the
book, a too enthusiastic
editor described the book as
the first to condemn ordinary
Germans. Hardly, but it may
be the last. Goldhagen, on
the tour of the book, was
chastised for the description
— which he, like Purdy,
lamely explained. It seems
that the marketing department
of Knopf, ever eager to sell
intellectual, gritty books as
if they were bestsellers,
seems to either not actually
read the books or is
satisfied by the
25-words-or-less description
that the sophomore-at-Fordham
intern has provided.

As Always,

The Samerri
<crumb@ix.netcom.com>

Well it probably wasn't the
first. I saw a circa-1945
newsreel on Turner Classic
Movies where the point was
basically, "Now that we've
beaten the Germans, let's
annihilate them before they
can do it again — and
don't kid yourselves, they
will." But really, if
everybody were as strict as
you, the slogan for Jakob the
Liar
would have to read, "The
Stand-Up-and-Cheer Holocaust
comedy of [the second half
of
] the year!"

Yr pal,

BarTel
 
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Admittedly, I've never seen
the script. All I've
heard about it is from The
Howard Show,
and I don't get
the "Shoah business"
reference at the end. But
from what I can tell, all
you're trying to say about
this movie is that it's not
that bad and it's too easy to
make fun of. But you've only
read the script. How can you
say that Shearer's "long run
of laughter" at the movie is
unjust? You've not even seen
it!

Darren Hertell
<darren@yack.com>

PS Big fan, big fan.

I'm not so sure Harry Shearer
has seen it, given that he is
very cagey about giving any
actual details about the
movie and always falls back
on the same joke — "Can
you believe they made a movie
about a clown in a
concentration camp?" Well,
yes, we can believe it, and
we can even believe that
movie could be a heartwarming
Oscar magnet. The point is,
the joke's over. It's time to
stop picking on Jerry Lewis.

Yr pal,

BarTel
 
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My first reaction on reading
your 23 September quickie on
the slayings of churchgoers
was what, for want of a
better term, I'll call abject
horror. It brought to mind
some poor, 17-year-old
schmuck who stood up to be
part of a magic act, only to
find himself actually
skewered when they put him
into the box.

As horrifying as that image
was, I did find some small
solace in this: Psychologists
tell us (and we believe every
word!) that spree killers go
on their rampages because
they're starved for attention
and that, in a strange way,
going out to off a few folks
in a Quikie-Mart is the best
way to get it. How
frustrating must it have been
for Ashbrook, who in his last
desperate play for some air
time, had trouble even
convincing people that
anything real was taking
place?

Samuel Leibowitz
<sleibowitz@btcwcu.org>

Serves the bastard right.
Considering how many ways
there are to get attention
— kidnapping supermodels
and then pretending to rescue
them, coming forward as
George W.'s coke buddy from
way back when, destroying New
York and Paris and London
with a death ray — spree
killing shows a pretty
stunted imagination.

Yr pal,

BarTel
 
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 The Shit
Seeing Calvin Coolidge in a Dream, John Derbyshire, St. Martin's Press, 1996
Peekaboo's Masks, 2492 Van Ness Avenue, San Francisco
West Beirut, director Ziad Doueiri, 1999
"The Smartest Cartoonist on Earth," Daniel K. Raeburn, The Imp, Vol. 1/No. 3, 1999
Mad Monster Party, Rankin/Bass Productions, VHS, Deluxo & Black Bear Press, 1967/1999
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Alan Moore and Kevin O'Neill, America's Best Comics, 1999
Hermenaut No. 15: "The Fake Authenticity Issue," editor Joshua Glenn, summer 1999
Guillow's Sky Streak rubber-powered balsa-wood glider (without landing gear)
Webvan
Very Emergency, Promise Ring, Jade Tree, 1999
Mean Magazine No. 5, summer 1999
Slickaphonics, Replikants, KillRockStars/Rue St. Germaine, 1999
"Cash, Interesting, Summer Holiday", The Young Ones, Foxvideo (BBC Video), 1988
Driver (PSX), GT Interactive, 1999

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